Join us for a virtual coffee catch-up as we discuss our activities since the last Trailblazer DX conference, as well asnd the upcoming Salesforce release, along with a friendly debate on coffee versus tea. We share our excitement about sharing information about releases and share some tips on how to best prepare for it.

In the second half of this episode, we explore the potential of artificial intelligence (AI) in generating content and the need for critical thinking despite AI’s ability to summarize content. We also discuss the difficulty of using AI to create content such as jokes, blog posts, and even fantasy stories. Finally, we share our experiences with ChatGPT, Bard, and Simon and Garfunkel even make an appearance! Don’t miss this engaging and informative episode!

Show Highlights:

  • Covering Salesforce releases
  • AI’s potential for content generation, critical thinking, and joke/story creation
  • Crafting quality submissions for CFPs

Links:

Episode Transcript

Mike Gerholdt:
I’ve had a lot more coffee than you guys have, apparently.

Josh Birk:
Yes. Yeah. That is my good friend, colleague, and co-host of the Salesforce Admins Podcast, Mike Gerholdt. I’m Josh Birk, your host of the Salesforce Developer Podcast, and here on the podcast tell your stories and insights from developers for developers.
Today, however we do something a little bit different. Mike and Gillian of the Salesforce Admins Podcast invited me over for a little remote coffee, and so that we could catch up on things that we’ve been working on. There’s also a little twist towards the start of the episode, so listen for that, I’m sure I might hear about it on social media later, but we will get back to coffee with the peeps. And it’s noon here, so I’m slow today, I’m catching up is what-

Mike Gerholdt:
I’m having my midday coffee. It’s the midday coffee that… Because I grew up rural where my grandpa was a farmer, there was always coffee in the house-

Josh Birk:
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt:
… always. 110 outside, 80% humidity, he’d come inside for a cup of coffee.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. If I wasn’t a coffee drinker before college, the psychology department at Wesleyan would would’ve converted me into one. I have seen gas stations less equipped to handle giving out free coffee to people. They had two industrial-size brew masters that were working around the clock. It was the liquid fuel for the AM cognitive psychology type thing. So yeah, my midday coffee is getting me out of the morning, basically.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah. Well, I went with a green tea today.

Mike Gerholdt:
You don’t do coffee do you, Gillian?

Gillian Bruce:
No. Yeah, I’m a tea drinker, so I went with green tea, it doesn’t have quite as much caffeine as like a Earl Grey or an English Breakfast, but I’ve got too little, so I’ve already been up for six hours, so we’re good.

Mike Gerholdt:
Since yesterday.

Josh Birk:
Right.

Mike Gerholdt:
Sleep time.

Gillian Bruce:
Is it still Sunday? It feels like it’s Sunday. No.

Mike Gerholdt:
Right, yeah.

Josh Birk:
So it’s a blurs day after the pandemic. Yep, absolutely.

Gillian Bruce:
Blurs day, yes.

Josh Birk:
Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
That’s a great term.

Josh Birk:
I learned recently that, what is it? Green, oolong, and black tea all come from the same leaf.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh, it’s-

Gillian Bruce:
Oh, is it just the maturation of the leaf or something?

Josh Birk:
It’s like how long that they are left out in the sun or something like that, and then they crop them at different times.

Gillian Bruce:
Well, there you go.

Josh Birk:
There you go.

Gillian Bruce:
See, things we learn. It’s an educational podcast, not just about Salesforce, everyone.

Mike Gerholdt:
Nope. I stand firmly with Ted Lasso and his opinion of tea, and I think it looks like yard clippings inside of a cup.

Gillian Bruce:
Well, you have a lot of yard clippings to work with, so you can make a lot of tea.

Mike Gerholdt:
I could-

Josh Birk:
True.

Mike Gerholdt:
… tea up the whole neighborhood.

Gillian Bruce:
Well, let’s tee up this episode, Mike.

Mike Gerholdt:
Sure. So-

Josh Birk:
That’s the opening right there.

Mike Gerholdt:
That is. That’s the whole opening. It’s done. Every episode’s going to start this way with three minutes of me entering the round while we wait for the caffeine to kick in.

Josh Birk:
Like it.

Mike Gerholdt:
Let’s talk about it’s May, we’re heading into summer, what are some of the things you’ve been working on so far since people probably last saw us at TrailblazerDX?

Gillian Bruce:
It feels like a year ago.

Josh Birk:
It does feel like [inaudible 00:03:08].

Mike Gerholdt:
It was a couple of years ago. That whole timeline thing on Facebook is wrong.

Gillian Bruce:
Well, it’s summer, it’s time for the release. I’ve been knee-deep in release-preparation content and our Learn More campaign, which is basically the way that we prepare everyone for the release. And so Release Readiness Live, all of that, going through all the release notes and the highlights. And yeah, so go ahead, ask me any question about the release, I can try and fake an answer to it.

Mike Gerholdt:
I did get asked a question about the release at the Washington DC user group.

Josh Birk:
Oh.

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
Do you remember what it was? Was it-

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah. “Give me the highlights of the release.”

Josh Birk:
Oh.

Gillian Bruce:
You’ve got lots of content that I’ve been hoping [inaudible 00:03:55].

Josh Birk:
I was going to say, “Wait a little while, we’ll walk you right through it.”

Mike Gerholdt:
“This is the last part of the user group meeting that’s keeping you from happy hour. I’ll be brief, it’s an amazing release. Next question.”

Josh Birk:
I like it. I like it. Do you remember when you could read through the whole release notes for the entire company and it was like 50 pages?

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah.

Josh Birk:
It’s what now, 500 or something?

Mike Gerholdt:
I remember I read all of the summer release notes for, I want to say, summer ’08 while riding in a car that was being driven to Chicago, and I got done in time.

Gillian Bruce:
Wow.

Josh Birk:
Anyway, sorry, Gillian, I jumped in on you.

Gillian Bruce:
Oh, no, that’s totally fine. I was actually going to share some legit information about the release if people want to find out more. No shade in that comment. So if you are listening to this podcast, then you can definitely right now go check out on demand Admin Release Readiness live. You can also check out Developer Admin… developer admin, whatever… Developer Release Readiness Live as well, both on demand you can find them, and that’s a great way to get the highlights. We’ve got a bunch of product managers on there and evangelists and advocates talking about what they think is important for you to understand. So, got that. We’ve got the Learn More blogs, and there’s good stuff.
I personally am most excited about horizontal alignment on dynamic fields, and it sounds super nerdy, but imagine you can just control exactly where fields line up on your page, no matter how much text is in the field above or below it. It’s the little things that matter. So my inner controlled freak is very happy about that.

Josh Birk:
It is strange how you read something and you’re like, “Well, that’s just boring,” and then you see it and you’re like, “That’s really cool. I didn’t realize how cool that was.” Somebody had to sell me on custom property editors because on paper they just sound… I can barely even think of as to why somebody would find it exciting. And then it’s like, oh, you can write totally custom interfaces for people to go in and configure your components, and they’re really cool interfaces. I’m like, “It’s a shame that they can’t fit all of that into a title, I guess. It might help sell it better.”

Gillian Bruce:
Well, that’s why there’s people like us that are supposed to fill that gap, right, Josh?

Josh Birk:
This is true, including my upcoming episode with Alicia Taylor on custom property editors.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah. Actually, Alba pinged me about that this release, she’s like, “Are you going to talk about this in Admin Release Readiness Live?”
I’m like, “No, it doesn’t sound like admin at all.”
She’s like, “Actually it is, and here’s why.”
I was like, “Oh. Well then, yes, we will absolutely talk about that. No problem. Thank you, Alba.”

Josh Birk:
Yeah, because it’s weird because it’s developer-centric tech I guess, but it’s all admin facing. That’s the end goal is to make things easier and more powerful. You don’t have to guess what a proper date field looks like kind of thing, you can actually just pull up a proper date picker. It’s also when those things that you scratch your head about that’s like, “Wow, why did it take us this long to do it? And I’m sure now, if Felicia’s listening to this, and she’s like, “Because it’s really hard, Josh. We have engineers who have to fix this kind of stuff.”

Mike Gerholdt:
I remember for the longest time, one of the big requests from the community was an address block like we have on accounts and contacts, and you could never create that. So if you created a custom object, you always had to text field it to death. Now you can create that, it came back a long time ago.

Josh Birk:
Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
Again, it’s these little things that make a huge difference. This is why we have an admin-focused Release Readiness Live session focused on these little things that we care about.

Mike Gerholdt:
I never thought until I had to use another product, name not mentioned, of how much I would love-

Gillian Bruce:
I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Mike Gerholdt:
… the fact that when you could sort something, it stayed sorted that way every time you pulled up that list view. And I was like, “But Salesforce just does that natively.” And you’re like, “Yeah, this product doesn’t.”

Josh Birk:
Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh.

Josh Birk:
Oh. Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
And then the question is, why aren’t we using Salesforce for that thing? Well, we try.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. We ask that question a lot. We do. I give us credit for continuing to ask that question. Maybe one of these days we’ll get an answer. I’m not sure. I’m not sure.

Gillian Bruce:
I don’t know, it’s been a lot of years, Josh. It’s been a lot of years.

Josh Birk:
What’s the definition of madness again, I forget.

Mike Gerholdt:
Insanity.

Josh Birk:
It’s at the tip of my tongue.

Mike Gerholdt:
Insanity. So Gillian’s been working on release. Josh, it sounds like you’ve been diving in this stuff.

Josh Birk:
Well, two kind of big things. First of all, most people probably have not heard that the three of us are now proper coworkers, happy to hop over and join admin evangelism to talk nerdy tech. And speaking of nerdy tech, I don’t know if either of you have heard about this AI stuff and, I don’t know, ChatGPT or something, and then Mark tweeted something, and now there’s Einstein in front of it.
So yeah, that’s been a whole thing. And for me, it’s sort of funny because I was starting to get into this bit by playing around with Midjourney and doing generative art AI stuff, just as a goofy, “What can I create with this?” kind of thing. And so that’s actually… here I’m trying to learn up on large language models and how they’ve advanced from neural networks and… And what the community actually keeps asking me is, “How do I create an image of my mascot?” I’m like, “Oh, okay. We can talk about that too.”

Gillian Bruce:
The important things, again [inaudible 00:09:37] it’s priorities.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. So yeah, we’ve got a lot of content coming out on that. We’ve got a blog post in the works that’s just talking about the basics and what admins can do with it now. And then we’re getting some guests and some expert panels up and running. So watch the space for more. To me, this is interesting because I have chased a lot of technology, often at Salesforce’s behest, and every now and then there’s something like IoT, which gets really popular for a while, and it kind of blends into the background. I firmly believe IoT has become an aspect of our lives. It’s just that it’s on our phones and it’s on our smart machines, and we’ve just accepted it, and then now we’re just talking to our cars and stuff.
And then there’s stuff like blockchain, which was all like a hot minute. And then we started talking about the environment and all this other stuff. But generative AI… and so every now and then, it’s a flash in the pan, it’s really exciting for a while, but then we move on… I’m becoming a believer in this stuff and I think it is actually going to be around to stay, and I think it will be interesting to see where our product line goes in the next year, and where it’s going to start impacting people’s lives. It’s going to be interesting. I believe it’s going to be positive, but y’all know I’m something of an optimist too, so we’ll see.

Gillian Bruce:
I thought you’re not allowed to talk about AI unless you’re a catastrophist. I thought that was the rule.

Josh Birk:
Yeah, there’s a cottage industry out there for that. The scary thing about the catastrophe speakers to me though, some of them are just insanely smart people, so I don’t want to ignore that because there’s something there, but it’s almost like they’re so smart about it, they don’t know how to talk to other people about why they think AI could be a disaster. So we’ll see. And maybe in three years we’re all robots, and this podcast will sound very different.

Mike Gerholdt:
It’ll be created by AI.

Gillian Bruce:
Oh, man-

Mike Gerholdt:
So there’s that.

Gillian Bruce:
… I don’t want to know what an AI Gillian sounds like, that would be scary.

Mike Gerholdt:
It probably sounds just like you. I saw a TikTok the other day where there was a AI that could replicate any… you just fed it like an audio clip of whomever and it would replicate the sound.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. I think that’s one of the most early evident scary parts, it’s deep fakes and misinformation and people impersonating it. I think I just read somewhere, I think it was Spotify broke up a bot circle. It was generated music with bots listening to it to rack up its score. So it didn’t even have a human audience. So AI generated, AI audience, all in one feedback loop.

Gillian Bruce:
Can we create a bot audience for us for this podcast?

Josh Birk:
I, for one, welcome our bot overlords, so I think that’s not a bad idea at all. And I’m sure-

Gillian Bruce:
So I was just at a community event last week, CenCal Dreamin’ in Fresno, California. Shout out to send CenCal Dreamin’. Bitwise was the amazing partner who put it on. And there were a lot of discussions I had just one-off with attendees about AI and what it means for being a Salesforce professional, and how that is going to shift and change and maybe lower some barriers to entry for some certain aspects of what you can do, and really shift the type of work that you’re doing, but also making it even more important, the expertise you bring in as a Salesforce professional to then work with this technology because it takes a different level of understanding what to ask for, how to guide it, how to review things.
It was really interesting that I had three different in-depth conversations with different folks from various… like Bi, developer, executive, and just having those talks was really interesting to see where people’s heads are at right now.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. And I think that’s one of the big positives is that I think we’re going to see us getting to a result faster because AI will help us just jump to the end a little bit. I’m not talking to anybody right now who’s thinking the humans are going to just go away. I think you hit on a really good point though. If I have one suggestion to people right now, it’s like, go find a free account and start playing with this because it is a different skillset and a little bit of a different mindset on how to input some things. And there’s features that some people don’t think about like being able to… You could give ChatGPT your resume and it knows what your background and what your style looks like, and can give it starting point.
So yeah, I think that’s like… it’s like learning how to Google something really well. We’ve all slowly learned that skill over the years because it’s so vital to getting anything done. I feel like it’s going to be that. But so get into the pool early before it gets too crowded and just tinker around with it. And it’s really fun to play with. Bard also just went public, bard.google.com, that’s another free way of doing it. I tried using Bard to cheat on Wordle over the weekend, and-

Gillian Bruce:
How’d that work out?

Josh Birk:
Oh, it worked out great. Out of the four five-letter words it gave me, it included the four-letter word that I gave it. So Bard has a counting problem.

Mike Gerholdt:
It’s young. It’s learning.

Gillian Bruce:
It’s young. It’s learning. Right, exactly. Exactly. So, yeah.

Mike Gerholdt:
Wow.

Josh Birk:
So it’ll be interesting. It’ll be interesting.

Mike Gerholdt:
I’ll be the constant pessimist in the room. I think that the two things about this that worry me are, one, the critical thinking part of it. We’re using AI as a content creator to generate massive amounts of content. And then the flip side is I read a post, actually read the post, I didn’t just skim it, on ways to use AI and it was, “Oh, well, you can use it to summarize content.” And I’m thinking to myself, “Great. What?” None of this is taking… It all takes away from the ability for you to sit down, read, have critical thoughts about something, and actually then also just take the time to reflect on it. That ability of sitting down and reading a book and thinking through the concepts and… Because everything right now is, “If AI is generating the content, I can also have AI summarize the content, and now I basically know what you wrote.”
“Yeah, kind of. But you didn’t read it.”

Josh Birk:
Right. Yeah. And I think that critical thinking is going to be an important role in it. You ask it to generate something, but then everything I’ve had it generate from a text point of view has been pretty bad. I have put nothing that I would ever show to the public. It’s just like, “No, this is not very good writing,” kind of thing.

Mike Gerholdt:
No.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. So I feel like there’s that still.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah, Damon and I were going… he was MC’ing a charity event on Saturday night and I was like, “Okay, so let’s just ask ChatGPT to write you some funny jokes to say during your MC moment. And let me tell you, out of the 20 jokes that I got back, there was maybe one that was somewhat passable. There were some good puns, I appreciated some of the puns, but it was like, okay, I gave it the location, I gave it the type of charity it was, I gave some background. And it tried hard, it did, but they were bad, they were so bad. And Damon at some point was like, “Okay, stop reading those to me. I don’t want to hear it anymore.”

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah. I’ve tried to see what it would generate for a blog post. And actually I have a friend that wrote and is doing stuff for the University of Iowa where he’s helping college students understand, “Here’s how you can use this in a constructive way, not in a way that’s just ChatGPT creating your papers for you.” It was very sterile. It wrote a blog post, and it was very sterile, there wasn’t a lot of direction or storytelling to it, it was just very matter-of-factly.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. Yeah. I think I asked Bard… so the song stuck in my head this last month, I don’t know why. It’s usually a Simon and Garfunkel song, and I blame my parents for that. This is, You Can Call Me Al, when Simon went solo. Also, despite Chevy Chase’s behavior, one of the best music videos ever put together.

Gillian Bruce:
Agreed.

Josh Birk:
But anyway, there’s a line in You Can Call Me Al, “He doesn’t speak the language and he holds no currency.” And so I was like… I’ve always loved that phrase because it’s such great way of describing somebody who’s like a stranger in a strange lang. And so I asked Bard to write me the first chapter of fantasy story about a person who doesn’t speak the language and holds no currency, and it wrote a story about a boy who has no money because currency has vanished from the planet. And he finds a spaceship with a box of coins in it, and it ends with him walking away with a coin.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh.

Josh Birk:
I’m like, “You did not understand the exercise. You really focused on that one word to really hinge-”

Mike Gerholdt:
Currency.

Josh Birk:
“… the whole thing.” Currency, yeah.

Mike Gerholdt:
Wow. So this reminds me, if you want to go down a fun internet tunnel, look up the Flintstones and the Jetsons conspiracy theory.

Josh Birk:
Oh, no.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh, yes. It’s super fun though because there’s a whole bunch of thought put into… So both came out in the, I want to say, early ’60s, Hanna-Barbera, Warner Brothers. I liked the Jetsons, I actually never became a Flintstones fan.

Josh Birk:
Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah, but I think-

Mike Gerholdt:
I liked the Jetsons because of the mid-century modern architecture, which is really just cartoons. But anyway, there’s a whole theory that one predates the other, and it’s not the Flintstones, it’s actually the Jetsons predates the Flintstones because there was some sort of mega world collapse because the Flintstones have the concept of work and currency and there’s this… They go down and it’s this… You end up after two hours reading and watching these YouTube videos being, “Yep, that’s completely plausible. It totally makes sense now why the Flintstones had this and the idea of television and broadcast waves in theoretically a prehistoric time.”

Josh Birk:
Right. Fascinating.

Gillian Bruce:
Wow. People spend a lot of thought on some things that I never would’ve ever thought about that.

Mike Gerholdt:
There’s people in the world that have time on their hands.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah.

Josh Birk:
Yes, and-

Gillian Bruce:
Maybe someday.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I like it.

Gillian Bruce:
Mike, there’s also… I know I’m just going to call you out here because I know you’ve been working on a call for presentations for Dreamforce. Do you want to share with our lovely listeners a little bit more about that?

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah, so if you’re listening to this before, I think, it’s June 6th, make sure I get the calendar right in front of me, be sure to get your call for presentations in for the admin track at Dreamforce. So it’s open now. It’s open as you listen to this, as long as it’s before early part of June. And it’s the same as last year. So there’s two ways to submit. There’s a submission, which is the traditional way, “I have an idea. I want to talk about this product and thing that I built,” and build the presentation and get up on stage. And those are the ones that we’re reviewing to do all of the presentations for both the breakout sessions for Admin Track at Dreamforce and theater sessions at Admin Track.
And of course space is limited, so take time, you don’t have to submit a hundred, submit three that you’ve really thought about and planned because… I realize it’s kind of like… I have a friend who has a couple of kids that are, I believe it’s in Boy Scouts, and they do these little Pinewood derby things. And we spent some time, I spent some time helping that kid making that car as slick and fast as possible. And we showed up and we had a pretty polished car and that thing went down the track. And then there were some people that showed up and they literally just taped a quarter to their car and that was it. And maybe that’s all the time that they had. We had more time, our car won. And that’s kind of how call for presentations work. It’s not about the number of cupcakes you show up with, it’s about the quality of the cupcake.

Josh Birk:
Right. Yeah-

Mike Gerholdt:
Josh can attest to that.

Josh Birk:
I can attest to this, I’ve seen it over the years. And it’s like, if you give us three quality submissions, you are far more likely to get at least one of those accepted, than if you give me 20, even decent ones, if you overwhelm me with information, and I know these are coming from the same person, you’re just throwing spaghetti against the wall at that point. So yeah, take your time, choose the stuff that you’re really passionate about and make that title in abstract that resembles that passion, and that’s going to increase your chances by a lot.

Mike Gerholdt:
And also spend time in the Trailblazer community. Look at what people are asking and talking about because that’s the trends that we follow. We have our own themes and directives that we have to abide by, but overall, we’re following that trend as well. And so if we see that, and your submissions line up with that… now, there’s no guarantee, but it’s like applying for a job, there’s how many… 100 people are going to apply for a job. Well, only one person can get it. And it’s kind of the same way with a CFP. How did that one person get it? Where they were very persistent and on point and made sure stuff lined up, and also there is a little bit of luck that goes with it.

Josh Birk:
Yeah. Yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
A CFP. Well, I always like reading the submissions that come in. And I know that when I have been reviewing these in the past, if you… to Josh’s point, if you submit 10, 15 sessions that are not really fledged out, it’s annoying, so don’t do that [inaudible 00:24:06] make our job hard.

Josh Birk:
Right. Exactly.

Mike Gerholdt:
Also, as a reviewer, I’ll be honest, it makes us worry about the level of effort you’re going to put into the session.

Josh Birk:
Exactly, yeah. And it’s usually the first question I ask, “Is this a good quality submission? Did they actually think it out? Is it more than a two-sentence long abstract?” And if you put that level of work into what you’re sending us, then exactly. I’m hoping you’re going to put that level of work into your presentation, into your stage [inaudible 00:24:38] because it is work. And also consider that before you… I get you get a free ticket to Dreamforce, that’s great. But also realize Mike’s going to be calling you up and being like, “Hey, we need to see your slides and we need to do your dry run. We need to get you successful on stage.”
So know what you’re signing up for and think about the thing that you’re going to get really excited about to talk about on stage.

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah. And you’re willing to devote your summer to getting ready to talk about it on stage.

Josh Birk:
At least a decent portion of your summer.

Mike Gerholdt:
Good portion. It’s interesting, I’m following another community conference, it’s doing something very similar to what I have planned for managing speakers in Admin Track, and we’ll see how that goes.

Josh Birk:
Gotcha.

Mike Gerholdt:
Yes. But we’ll include the link to the blog post so that you can submit or not submit in case you’re on deadline. But looking ahead for June, anything in the works that you want to talk about?

Josh Birk:
My life is pretty much going to be AI, so that’s still like… everybody wants content yesterday, so I think June’s going to be a big month for that. The other half of AI that is data and data cloud. And so I’m probably going to start looking at that as the next down-the-road topic kind of thing. But yeah, I think AI is going to be a big part of my life between now and Dreamforce.

Mike Gerholdt:
I understand that.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah, Josh, you said Dreamforce. I feel like that’s the thing that is rearing up for all of us, so that’s kind of what I’m thinking June is going to be like for me is definitely lots of Dreamforce prep and getting things set up for all the cool, the new innovations, and also the great content we’re going to bring to life at Dreamforce. Now is our time to get it all going.

Mike Gerholdt:
So much, yeah.

Gillian Bruce:
Oh, and London World Tour. I get to go to London World Tour, which will be lovely. So any listeners over who are going to be at London World Tour, please come say hi to me. I’m really looking forward to being over there. I have not been to London since 2018.

Josh Birk:
Oh, wow.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh my god.

Gillian Bruce:
I’m very much looking forward.

Josh Birk:
The whole pandemic. Wow.

Gillian Bruce:
Yeah, and four kids.

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah.

Josh Birk:
Dang. London is hands down one of my favorite cities to get lost in.

Mike Gerholdt:
100%. And there’s a new ruler over there, you can talk king stuff now, it’s no longer queen. I don’t know. Yeah, so I guess I didn’t talk about this, but June, there will be another Build a Blog series coming out post, and we are going to talk about actual content creation, we are to that point. So this has been a fun series, and the last one came out May 16th on finding a publishing platform. I’m guessing that’s going to be the one that gets read the most because that seems to be what everybody’s… the major questions are. But the plan is to turn anybody that’s aspiring to become a blogger from zero to hero by Dreamforce. So I’ve got that going on. And then I’m also working on turning it into a presentation where, as it was announced on the Twitters, you can see me presented at Midwest Dreamin’ in August.
Yeah. So you’ll actually time’s out perfect because there’ll be an August post that should go live, which will be the last post before Dreamforce, so. Not that I had that planned or anything.

Josh Birk:
Nice.

Mike Gerholdt:
Boom.

Josh Birk:
Why do I suddenly have an image of Illuminati in my head?

Mike Gerholdt:
Midjourney?

Gillian Bruce:
I don’t know. AI, AI.

Josh Birk:
AI. There’s a hallucination joke in there somewhere, but I don’t know, it’s on the tip of my tongue, I don’t have it.

Mike Gerholdt:
Yeah, I feel like, so they did along those lines, cult film came out, I want to say in ’99, Stranger Days, Juliette Lewis, I forget the other person that’s in it.

Josh Birk:
Bradley Cooper, I think.

Mike Gerholdt:
No, before Bradley Cooper.

Josh Birk:
Okay.

Mike Gerholdt:
Oh, good. Oh, my Amazon’s here. It slipped under the radar for a lot of people. I only remembered it because CBS Sunday morning did a feature on Juliette Lewis, and they talked about that movie. But they have kind of this little plastic tentacle thing that you can put on as a hat, and then you can basically experience things from someone else, and it’s like a mind recorder. So when you said Illuminati in your head, maybe you put on the little Strange Days thing.

Gillian Bruce:
Well, this was really fun, guys. Thank you, Mike, for organizing this, and thanks for… Hey, Josh, gosh, this has been so fun, this is like podcasters unite, so this is really cool. Thank you.

Josh Birk:
Yeah.

Mike Gerholdt:
Well, we’re going to do this every month. So end of the month, this is the episode to look forward to.

Josh Birk:
I like it. And our timing is perfect, I’m actually out of coffee.

Mike Gerholdt:
So am I. On that note…

Josh Birk:
And on that note, I want to thank Mike and Gillian for the invite to coffee and the great conversation. And now that we’re colleagues, we’re going to be able to talk to each other a lot more. And I look forward to the next time that we get coffee. Don’t you all worry, I am over on the admin relations team, the Salesforce Developer Podcast is not planning on going anywhere, and I’ll be continuing hosting it for a little while, we’ve got some plans in place that you’ll hear more about later.
But for now, if you want to learn more about this show, head on over to developer.salesforce.com/podcast where you can hear old episodes, see the show notes, and have the links to your favorite podcast service. Thanks again, everybody, and I’ll talk to you next week.

 Get notified of new episodes with the new Salesforce Developers Slack app.